Dating 101: Guys Who Don't Get the 2nd Date
Dating study reveals a surprising trend in the type of single men that fail to entice women to continue courtship
By dating coach Rachel Greenwald
Photo: iStockphoto.com/g_studio
Updated: May 22, 2009
"It's a cat and mouse game; puppy dogs don't win." Let me explain.
As
a dating coach and matchmaker, I've spent the past 10 years conducting
some unconventional dating research using a business concept called
"Exit Interviews." While earning my MBA degree at Harvard Business
School, I learned how candid exit interviews from an employee leaving
his company can reveal crucial feedback, empowering managers to get
something right next time with future clients and employees. So I
thought: why not try this tactic in the
dating
world?
The Dating PollIn
one poll, I asked over 100
single women to
confess the real reasons they didn't accept a second date with a man.
My goal was to help men discover simple mistakes or misperceptions
which they could adjust next time with someone new. The women I
interviewed came from 23 states and 6 countries, with ages ranging from
21 to 68. Five top reasons emerged strong and consistent, but what was
the number-one turnoff? Did it have something to do with the
shortcomings of the bad boys, men afraid of commitment, or guys who
were too short, bald, potbellied, or unemployed? Not at all. Here,
single women define the men they dated who don't make it for a second
round of courtship.
The Puppy DogBetsy,
a 50-year-old lawyer in Seattle, mused about a guy she dated who
reminded her of that "Sex and the City" episode when Carrie was
dating Aidan and complained about how he was too available: He didn't
do the ever-seductive withholding dance or make her stomach flip. Betsy
admitted, "The early stage of dating is just one big game, whether we
like it or not. It's a cat and mouse game; puppy dogs don't
win."
The Incessant FlattererEmily,
a 39-year-old writer from Boston, said about one man, "Eagerness
can be flattering, but this felt a little desperate... it became
annoying. Also, because it was a first date, [I think] it had more to
do with a fantasy about me, than me." Hillary, a 35-year-old magazine
editor from New York, NY, remarked, "I went out with him in the first
place because he was so complimentary to me. I thought I should give
him a chance. Normally I like a man who doesn't play games, but the
flattery really became overkill." Karen, a 28-year-old health care
consultant in Madison, WI, sighed, "He looked like a sad puppy when I
said goodnight."
The Edgeless ManWomen
complained in droves about
single men who
reminded them of puppies. These guys followed them around and were too
eager to please. Men who were "too nice" often appeared desperate or
weak. They didn't have an "edge." And their "gushing" early emails with
excessive flattery were a turnoff.
The Over-GusherLiz,
a 41-year-old language translator from Sherman Oaks, CA, told me about
the guy who sent such effusive emails after they met that she "was
disappointed to receive them." She said, "I wanted the polite, even
enthusiastic thank-you along with a compliment or two, but not the
over-gush. I guess I wanted him to maintain a little mystery." Jenna, a
33-year-old graphic designer in Miami, FL, commented: "He was too nice,
too transparent... he didn't intrigue me."
The SweetieEmma,
a 25-year-old advertising associate in London, described a guy
she could have "walked all over." And Shannon, a 38-year-old accountant
from Cincinnati, remembered declining a third date with a too-nice
guy who came to her office after she got promoted. He spent hours
organizing her files and brought her an expensive "congratulations"
plant. She said, "He was so good on paper, and I guess I'd call him
'sweet,' but he didn't have an edge."
Do Nice Guys Finish Last?As
these confessions poured in, I worried whether the old adage "Nice guys
finish last" could actually be true. I hoped not, because I personally
love "nice guys" (I even married one! And after 16 happy years, let me
offer this endorsement: nice guys are the only ones who stand the test
of time). But as I spoke to women in more detail, they clarified what
they really meant, and I felt reassured. It's not that women don't want
a "nice guy" (they absolutely do when they are in a marriage-minded
mode!), but rather guys should simply monitor the quantity of their
effusive compliments and sweet gestures. Like most things in life, a
little bit of a good thing goes a long way, but too much is
overwhelming and usually a turnoff.
Most Popular Dating Articles:Rachel Greenwald is the author of the new book "
Why He Didn't Call You Back: 1,000 Guys Reveal What They Really Thought About You After Your Date." She is also the New York Times best-selling author of "
Find a Husband After 35 Using What I Learned at Harvard Business School." Rachel is a frequent guest on The Today Show, The Early Show, CNN, National Public Radio, The Dennis Prager Show, and has been featured in "O" The Oprah Magazine, Fortune Magazine, The New Yorker, People, USA Today, and many others. Visit her website and ask Rachel a question at
www.whyhedidntcallyouback.com.